Stupid is as Stupid Does
I am re posting a comment a guy going by the name "Andero" posted last night in reference to THIS VIDEO, I posted a year ago about Vets for Freedom.
By Andero's reckoning not only is David Bellavia an ordinary killer, but I am as well. Needless to say Andero is now banned from commenting around here.
But Andero brings up a point that others randomly do here and there on sites I frequent about the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. So it might be helpful to go back in time and recount all the things that led up to this "illegitimate" war.
On 2 August 1990, Saddam launched the invasion of Kuwait. After two days of intense combat, most of the Kuwaiti Armed Forces were either overrun by the Iraqi Republican Guard or escaped to neighboring Saudi Arabia. Within hours of the invasion, Kuwaiti and US delegations requested a meeting of the UN Security Council, which passed Resolution 660, condemning the invasion and demanding a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. On 3 August the Arab League passed its own resolution. The resolution called for a solution to the conflict from within the League, and warned against outside intervention. On 6 August UN Resolution 661 placed economic sanctions on Iraq.
A long series of UN Security Council resolutions and Arab League resolutions were passed regarding the invasion. One of the most important was Resolution 678, passed on 29 November giving Iraq a withdrawal deadline of 15 January 1991, and authorizing “all necessary means to uphold and implement Resolution 660,” a diplomatic formulation authorizing the use of force.
The United States, especially Secretary of State James Baker, assembled a coalition of forces to join it in opposing Iraq, consisting of forces from 34 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Greece, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Spain, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States itself.[16] Although they did not contribute any forces, Japan and Germany made financial contributions totaling $10 billion and $6.6 billion respectively. US troops represented 73% of the coalition’s 956,600 troops in Iraq. Many of the coalition forces were reluctant to join; some felt that the war was an internal Arab affair, or did not want to increase US influence in the Middle East. In the end, many nations were persuaded by Iraq’s belligerence towards other Arab states, fear of the US, offers of economic aid or debt forgiveness, and threats to withhold aid.
On 12 January 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the US Senate and 250-183 in the US House of Representatives. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the Congress since the War of 1812. Soon after, the other states in the coalition also followed suit.
The 1991 Gulf War ended in a cease-fire agreement, ratified by the UN Security Council as Resolution 687. The cease-fire was conditional upon Iraq's acceptance of the provisions of the Resolution. Some of those provisions included:
Requiring Iraq to dismantle all WMD and all long-range missiles *under international supervision* (article C).
Requiring Iraq to abandon all future WMD programs (article C)
Comply with UN restrictions on the importation of conventional weapons (article F)
Permanently abandon support for terrorism (article H)
there was no peace treaty following As the cease-fire, the Gulf War coalition retained the right under international law to resume hostilities if Iraq violated the terms of the cease-fire.
The United States and Coalition Forces were well within their rights under the cease fire agreement signed in 1991 to go into Iraq in 2003 and enforce that agreement. Now if one makes the argument that the USA was less than articulate in making its case for the invasion you then may have a valid point. But there are many justifiable reasons based on international and US law to the war in Iraq.
So in short just because you hate America, George W. Bush, Coke, McDonald's or whatever else gets your panties in a bunch has nothing to do with the facts behind the legitimacy of the war in Iraq.
Emotionally I refuse to allow someone to enter MY INTERNET HOME even for one second and presume to infer that I, David Bellavia or any other Solider doing their duty is a murderer. What passes as rational thought for some in this country and the world at large is often fueled by hate and the illogical reasoning based on assumptions that simply aren't true.
For those emotionally equipped to handle rational thought there is more on the war in Iraq specifically the UN Resolutions involved HERE.
The war against Iraq was not a legitimate one, this makes Bellavia no hero, just an ordinary killer.
By Andero's reckoning not only is David Bellavia an ordinary killer, but I am as well. Needless to say Andero is now banned from commenting around here.
But Andero brings up a point that others randomly do here and there on sites I frequent about the legitimacy of the war in Iraq. So it might be helpful to go back in time and recount all the things that led up to this "illegitimate" war.
On 2 August 1990, Saddam launched the invasion of Kuwait. After two days of intense combat, most of the Kuwaiti Armed Forces were either overrun by the Iraqi Republican Guard or escaped to neighboring Saudi Arabia. Within hours of the invasion, Kuwaiti and US delegations requested a meeting of the UN Security Council, which passed Resolution 660, condemning the invasion and demanding a withdrawal of Iraqi troops. On 3 August the Arab League passed its own resolution. The resolution called for a solution to the conflict from within the League, and warned against outside intervention. On 6 August UN Resolution 661 placed economic sanctions on Iraq.
A long series of UN Security Council resolutions and Arab League resolutions were passed regarding the invasion. One of the most important was Resolution 678, passed on 29 November giving Iraq a withdrawal deadline of 15 January 1991, and authorizing “all necessary means to uphold and implement Resolution 660,” a diplomatic formulation authorizing the use of force.
The United States, especially Secretary of State James Baker, assembled a coalition of forces to join it in opposing Iraq, consisting of forces from 34 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Egypt, France, Greece, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Republic of Korea, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Spain, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States itself.[16] Although they did not contribute any forces, Japan and Germany made financial contributions totaling $10 billion and $6.6 billion respectively. US troops represented 73% of the coalition’s 956,600 troops in Iraq. Many of the coalition forces were reluctant to join; some felt that the war was an internal Arab affair, or did not want to increase US influence in the Middle East. In the end, many nations were persuaded by Iraq’s belligerence towards other Arab states, fear of the US, offers of economic aid or debt forgiveness, and threats to withhold aid.
On 12 January 1991 the United States Congress authorized the use of military force to drive Iraq out of Kuwait. The votes were 52-47 in the US Senate and 250-183 in the US House of Representatives. These were the closest margins in authorizing force by the Congress since the War of 1812. Soon after, the other states in the coalition also followed suit.
The 1991 Gulf War ended in a cease-fire agreement, ratified by the UN Security Council as Resolution 687. The cease-fire was conditional upon Iraq's acceptance of the provisions of the Resolution. Some of those provisions included:
Requiring Iraq to dismantle all WMD and all long-range missiles *under international supervision* (article C).
Requiring Iraq to abandon all future WMD programs (article C)
Comply with UN restrictions on the importation of conventional weapons (article F)
Permanently abandon support for terrorism (article H)
there was no peace treaty following As the cease-fire, the Gulf War coalition retained the right under international law to resume hostilities if Iraq violated the terms of the cease-fire.
The United States and Coalition Forces were well within their rights under the cease fire agreement signed in 1991 to go into Iraq in 2003 and enforce that agreement. Now if one makes the argument that the USA was less than articulate in making its case for the invasion you then may have a valid point. But there are many justifiable reasons based on international and US law to the war in Iraq.
So in short just because you hate America, George W. Bush, Coke, McDonald's or whatever else gets your panties in a bunch has nothing to do with the facts behind the legitimacy of the war in Iraq.
Emotionally I refuse to allow someone to enter MY INTERNET HOME even for one second and presume to infer that I, David Bellavia or any other Solider doing their duty is a murderer. What passes as rational thought for some in this country and the world at large is often fueled by hate and the illogical reasoning based on assumptions that simply aren't true.
For those emotionally equipped to handle rational thought there is more on the war in Iraq specifically the UN Resolutions involved HERE.
posted by Outlaw 13 at 07:35
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